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Ron Hartlen
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posted 06-02-2000 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ron Hartlen   Click Here to Email Ron Hartlen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For those interested in the electrical fundamentals of the "discharge" and "currents" involved, here's link to an article in May 2000 Mechanical Engineering magazine (ASME's monthly magazine)
http://www.memagazine.org/contents/current/features/jam/jam.html

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Greg Klein
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posted 06-03-2000 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg Klein   Click Here to Email Greg Klein     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The ASME article may have some "bearing" on a "current" problem I am attempting to resolve (I got the pun urge out of my system)

I monitor two underwater pelletizers that have been going through gear couplings nearly every 6 months. The driver is an 8 pole, 100 HP motor powered through a VFD (I suspect PWM). The pelletizer consists of a 20 to 24 knive hub that cuts polymer into pellets as the material is extruded through a die and quenched by a continuous water flow. The motor and pelletizer are coupled with a curved tooth gear coupling (with considerable axial play). The following is a picture of the UG-1000 pelletizer. The two units I am discussing are similar but smaller (UG-500s).

Recently, the VFDs were reconfigured such that the top end of the motor RPM was increased from 900 to 1100 RPM nominal. Since the change, the units have been operating at speeds higher than in previous years. Also, the coupling gear teeth have been "wearing out" such that coupling replacement is required on a 6 month or less interval. The damage starts within a week of placing the coupling in service and appears as tooth pitting due to adhesive wear. Then as time progresses, the hub teeth will wear down to a sharp edge and the spool teeth will have a considerable indented imprint of the hub teeth. The grease appears caked and burnt.

The team working on this problem has identified problems with the lubrication. The grease supply was old (nearly 9 years old), too little grease was being used, and the grease was not formulated for gear couplings (centrifuging of base oil from the thickening soap).

On Monday, one of the couplings will be inspected to determine if it has suffered any damage. The coupling was placed in service approximately 3 weeks ago, greased with FALK High Speed coupling grease, filled with the proper quantity of grease, and not operated above 900 RPM.

Now that I have given a "brief" description of the problem, I am fishing for some advice.

1) Does anyone think shaft current could be an issue?

2) Does anyone have a good method of checking for shaft current?

3) Does anyone have any suggestions of things to look for or possible remedies? (We have a good grasp on alignment issues and have deemed misalignment as a non-variable.)

[This message has been edited by Greg Klein (edited 06-03-2000).]

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Dan Timberlake
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posted 06-03-2000 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Timberlake   Click Here to Email Dan Timberlake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you are concerned about current you might be able to measure voltage across the coupling. I'd search for a a voltmeter that is capable of measuring AC voltages at the frequencies that they are talking about. Might need a peak holding device.

Since both shafts rotate together you could make a nice jumper and attach it from shaft to shaft, or shaft to spool and spool to shaft.

Wouldn't expect a coupling to last long with bad lube.

Got a non-contact Temp probe? Might be nice to check spool temp from time to time. Also Monitor and record motor current or some other power related thing. Friction, Heat and wear are related, but not the same thing. It is possible to have a lot of friction, most of which goes directly to heat, and relatively little wear.

Here is a second-hand hearsay misalignment theory I heard once that made, and still Makes a lot of sense to me. It was suggested (reportedly by an un-named Falk engineer, who undoubtedly disappeared mysteriously and suddenly after uttering this radical theory), that good gear coupling life requires lots of misalignment. The reason was because, in a gear coupling, to establish a hydrodynamic film, it would be necessary to have some sliding velocity. Angular misalignment (the only misalignment possible when 2 meshes and a spool are used) accomplishes this. If alignment were perfect,and there were no axial thermal expansion, each tiny piece of tooth contact area would remain in contact with the exact same opposing piece of tooth contact. In a 24 hour a day constant load application, there would be no load reversal,and once the original assembly lube squeezed out, there would be little or no chance for any more to ever get in again. I would expect fretting and wear.

In my mind this is a very logical extension of the well accepted notion that Good lubrication requires separation of surfaces by an oil film. Yes, yes, if we can walk the line of boundary lubrication the friction is the lowest of all, but the penalty for being being on the hydrodynamic side is extra heat from lubricant shearing. The penalty for stepping on the OTHER side of boundary lubrication in metal to metal contact.

Lots of machinery uses either plain journal bearing or ball or roller bearings. All types rely on a sliding velocity to generate an oil film to withstand the pressure from loading, and separate the metallic surfaces. Even the contact ellipse in a ball bearing has large zones of sliding. These zones need a minimum velocity and viscosity to have Kappa larger than 2, which is the point hydrodynamic lubrication "lift off" is achieved. The exception is a hydrostatic bearing, that uses pressure applied over a large enough surface to lift the shaft, and balances peripheral clearance leakage against oil flowing in through orifices to maintain a fairly constant peripheral gap and pressure.

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Greg Klein
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posted 06-03-2000 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg Klein   Click Here to Email Greg Klein     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dan,

Thanks for the reply. The alignment, while acceptable, is no were near perfection. As far as gear couplings requiring a minimum amount of misalignment, I too have seen several references siting the requirement. Most of these references also ackowledge the minimum required misalignment is not something one needs to actively try and aquire because no matter how good you think the alignment is, it is never dead-on.

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Don Rainey
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posted 06-03-2000 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don Rainey   Click Here to Email Don Rainey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would refer you to Michael Calistrat's book on coupling application and design which shows a number of gear coupling failures where electrostatic discharge was determined to be the culprit. The examples cited in the book refer to DC discharge from high mass flow machines (come to think of it, not a lot different from those you are describing....)

But.....we have seen a number of cases (and they are increasing in frequency) where VFDs particularly of the PWM/vector variety are the root culprit.....and so far their have been no easy solutions.

See there, Nikola Tesla was right...sine waves rule :-)

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Don Rainey
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posted 06-03-2000 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don Rainey   Click Here to Email Don Rainey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS I was referring to an increasing number of bearing failures ----- not couplings.

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Joe
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posted 06-04-2000 12:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Joe   Click Here to Email Joe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would one expect that if the discharges are originating from the use of the VFD that the motor bearings would be affected before the coupling? Is it possible the plastic is causing a build-up of static and is discharging through the cplg? Are the indents on the cplg on both sides of the tooth or only in the direction of rotation? If there is a ground wire in the conn box of the motor disconnect it while the unit is off(and the other running)and measure the voltage between it and the frame. While the unit is running measure the voltage.

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Greg Klein
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posted 06-04-2000 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg Klein   Click Here to Email Greg Klein     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More fuel for thought.

The pump moving the quench water stream across the die face is putting up a flow of approximately 1000 gpm. The polymer is extruded through the die at rates of 35,000 to 50,000 pph. Frame grounds for all of the equipment involved are very questionable. Also, the overwhelming majority of the damage seems to be happening on the end of the coupling nearest to the pelletizer. The side of the coupling nearest the motor usually shows very minimal to no damage.

I suspect the bearings within the machine are well insulated but can not say for sure.

I am still very interested in hearing ways to test for shaft currents or static discharge.

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Arne Lindholm
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posted 06-04-2000 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arne Lindholm   Click Here to Email Arne Lindholm     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Greg, I might be taking this too ligthly but I would take a normal multimeter and set to mA RMS, put one lead against the shaft and one to the motor chassis. If current is more than 5 - 8 mA RMS, I would ground that shaft using a simple carbon brush taken from an old DC-motor. Very short leads. If the current is above 10 mA RMS I am pretty sure that the VFD is not well installed. The sparky people (electricians) are normally very uninterested to improve the installation, so a brush is an efficient way, however not so nice to look at perhaps. Good Luck Arne

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Greg Klein
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posted 06-04-2000 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg Klein   Click Here to Email Greg Klein     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Arne,

Do you think I should take a reading from shaft to ground on both sides of the coupling?

Also, one other bit of info that may or may not be relevant. The Spike Energy spectra from the motors are showing well defined harmonics of 2x line frequency from the VFD. The line frequency peaks are sidebanded by what I suspect is the slip frequency. I have been chalking the spectral content up to torque pulses and deemed them "normal" given the nature of a PWM drive. AM I FOOLING MYSELF?

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Duncan Carter
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posted 06-04-2000 05:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Duncan Carter   Click Here to Email Duncan Carter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Harmonics of 2x line frequency in an envelope or spike energy spectrum are usually the result of the excitation of the motor - modulated slot pass frequencies. These signals usually have nothing to do with the condittion of the motor bearings but the conditions that create these signals create distortion products that can mask the real bearing flaw signals. For more info on this, see the Bearings, Data Acquisition articles linked to:
http://www.vibrotek.com/ref.htm

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Rusty Castleman
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posted 06-04-2000 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rusty Castleman   Click Here to Email Rusty Castleman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Is it possible the plastic is causing a build-up of static and is discharging through the cplg?" I think this is a very good question and well worth investigating.

I walked by a moving roll (unwind) of poly film and got quite a zap (fried the LCD display of the contact tachometer that happened to be hanging on that side of my belt).

Their rather simplistic but effective solution (usually) is to drape a piece of copper material (looks like a scouring pad, comes in a roll, from ....????) over the shaft and clip the ends together with a ground clamp such as that used to ground barrels of flammable material.

As Arne points out, if you suspect currents going to ground, this is the quickest way to check it -- if the problem goes away, you've found the problem and can then install a permanent fix.

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Shawn Elder
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posted 06-05-2000 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Shawn Elder   Click Here to Email Shawn Elder     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have checked our turbines for shaft current with portable devices (from MPS) consisting of basically a circuit with a handheld Sohre brush connected to a resistance decade box and a ground (clamped to nearest bearing housing. An oscilloscope is then used to meausure the voltage from shaft to ground across the resistances (which determines the impedence of the voltage source, ie; is it electrostatic or electromagnetic).

Testing is then performed by taking voltage traces across different shunt resistances in the decade box. Different traces can then be interpreted to indicate the general nature of the voltage source.

Basically you have a portable voltage current monitor that most big turbines have permanently installed. MPS out of New Jersey is planning on marketing this device in the future as a portable voltage current monitor.

So, yes, you can monitor shaft voltages on the fly without taking the machine down to install a brush.

I placed the portable brush myself on the shaft and we did a pre job safety review to make sure all precautions were taken. The brush just has to be barely touching the shaft to close the circuit.



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Greg Klein
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posted 06-05-2000 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Greg Klein   Click Here to Email Greg Klein     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks to everyone for the help. Today we pulled the coupling that was lubed with the proper grease in the proper quantity. The coupling was in mint condition. It appears our original diagnosis was partially correct.

The grease specified by the OEM was not suitable for gear couplings. The thickener would centrifuge from the base oil and leave little to know lubrication. Then the coupling would lock-up. Prior to my involvement with the problem, "others" "determined" the coupling lock-up was because the mechanics had used an excessive amount of grease. The mechanics were instructed to lightly coat the hub teeth (approximately 1/10 the amount required by the coupling OEM).

The current team investigating the problem determined the grease was not well suited for gear couplings and the supply in the lube cabinet was well past the usable shelf life. We missed the part about putting the proper amount of grease in the coupling. It only took us about 3 couplings (at ~$3000 each) to figure out the grease was not leaving the coupling because it was never in the coupling to begin with.

Live and learn!

Sorry Ron. I don't know how but we started talking about VFD's / Bearings and ended up on gear couplings.

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Sherwin Jerrier
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posted 06-07-2000 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sherwin Jerrier   Click Here to Email Sherwin Jerrier     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The problem with VSD's is that the bearing insulation (DE or NDE) is not able to protect the motor or driven equipment from damage. The normal insulation is good for 50/60Hz applications but VSD's produce shaft voltages of a few KHz. These sipkes travel through the insulation due to the capacitance in the insulation (oil or actaul electrical insulation). The theory behind this is that the capacitive impedance is inversely proportional to the frequence. Ie the higher the frequency the lower the impedance and the greater the possibility of the spikes travelling through the insulation. A common solution is to apply a grounding brush on the NDE of the VSD and ground it via an RC tuned network that would filter the damaging spikes. Do not ground the brush solidly of via a low resistance. There must be a tuned capacitor in circuit. I can be contacted at weco@mweb.co.za

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abdul
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posted 06-08-2000 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for abdul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello,

One more very important issue which has a strong effect on gear coupling life: the gear tooth surface hardness. For most applications, the coupling gear teeth should be hardened by the manufacturer to a Rockwell-C hardness of at least 45.

Many gear coupling manufacturers sell the non-hardened gear couplings(say HRC 35 and below) for a lower price,due to the lower manufacturing cost.These couplings are suitable for low load applications only.

I recommend that you make a hardness test on the old couplings, or the existing one, and reject any future couplings whose tooth surface hardness is less than HRC 45. The service lifespan difference between gear teeth at HRC 45 and another identical set at HRC 35, can easily be ten times the life or more, as the surface hardness of contacting gears, in both couplings and gearboxes, is the most critical fatigue life factor after tooth form.

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rdburden
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posted 06-09-2000 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rdburden   Click Here to Email rdburden     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have encountered many cases of electrical
discharge current on VFD machines and you should be able to capture this phenomena quite nicely using HFE or spike energy, in most cases you will see multiple harmonics of BPOR or from time to time Bpir Harmonics.As for your coupling are you seeing a rust or brown discolouration of the gear teeth if so there is a good chance static current is attacking the lubrication.If you would like more information on this subject feel free ti e-mail me and I will provide more information

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Don Rainey
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posted 06-09-2000 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don Rainey   Click Here to Email Don Rainey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Boy, what timing -----

Here's the corpus delecti from a recent (last week)....hope the posting of photos works....

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Don Rainey
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posted 06-09-2000 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don Rainey   Click Here to Email Don Rainey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well ---- it didn't.......

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Don Rainey
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posted 06-09-2000 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don Rainey   Click Here to Email Don Rainey     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, one more try........

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